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	<title>Comments on: On Mean Girls and Soccer and Violence</title>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
		<link>http://sarahandthegoonsquad.com/2009/11/10/on-mean-girls-and-soccer-and-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-29278</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that anyone would condone her actions says a lot about the state of the world we live in.  That anyone could look at this and say that she was justified in her actions for any reason is beyond my understanding. What would she have had to do for some of you to say she crossed the line, actually snap the other girls neck when she pulled her hair?  If this was a reaction Elizabeth had to what the other players were doing to her and it is okay that she did this, does that mean that the next time someone cuts me off while I am driving can I get out the car and try to snap their neck?  Where do you draw the line?  Look at me wrong and I will smack the crap out of you, trip me and I get to kill you?  Totally F&#039;d up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that anyone would condone her actions says a lot about the state of the world we live in.  That anyone could look at this and say that she was justified in her actions for any reason is beyond my understanding. What would she have had to do for some of you to say she crossed the line, actually snap the other girls neck when she pulled her hair?  If this was a reaction Elizabeth had to what the other players were doing to her and it is okay that she did this, does that mean that the next time someone cuts me off while I am driving can I get out the car and try to snap their neck?  Where do you draw the line?  Look at me wrong and I will smack the crap out of you, trip me and I get to kill you?  Totally F&#8217;d up.</p>
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		<title>By: Goon Squad Sarah</title>
		<link>http://sarahandthegoonsquad.com/2009/11/10/on-mean-girls-and-soccer-and-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-29274</link>
		<dc:creator>Goon Squad Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Classy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Classy.</p>
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		<title>By: jizz</title>
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		<dc:creator>jizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that girl looks like a man. she should be tried for assault</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that girl looks like a man. she should be tried for assault</p>
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		<title>By: Montana</title>
		<link>http://sarahandthegoonsquad.com/2009/11/10/on-mean-girls-and-soccer-and-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-29237</link>
		<dc:creator>Montana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 05:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elizabeth Lambert is a junior at the University of New Mexico, and plays for their soccer team the Lobos originally from California (too bad for California). So, this loser knows they are going in to a game that they will most likely lose and since they do not have the talent to score they resort to this kind of play, it has very minor thought to it than let’s say passisng the ball through your opponents defense and scoring a goal.

The other issue is the where were the referees, were they all older white men with their tongues out, enamored and unable to call the game objectively (this game had so many penalties that did not get called), I mean what are they getting paid to do. Who has paid these guys off? Do we have to change the game where only women referees can call women games. After watching the video someone was paid off, that is my conclusion. 

And Lizzy, watch you back and please stay out of soccer (you real should be banned, the game does not need people like you in it), so many will be gunning for you now. Who knows maybe you were just drumming up business for your “Occupational Therapy practice”, yah good luck with that, I doubt your bed side manner is any different from your sportsmanship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elizabeth Lambert is a junior at the University of New Mexico, and plays for their soccer team the Lobos originally from California (too bad for California). So, this loser knows they are going in to a game that they will most likely lose and since they do not have the talent to score they resort to this kind of play, it has very minor thought to it than let’s say passisng the ball through your opponents defense and scoring a goal.</p>
<p>The other issue is the where were the referees, were they all older white men with their tongues out, enamored and unable to call the game objectively (this game had so many penalties that did not get called), I mean what are they getting paid to do. Who has paid these guys off? Do we have to change the game where only women referees can call women games. After watching the video someone was paid off, that is my conclusion. </p>
<p>And Lizzy, watch you back and please stay out of soccer (you real should be banned, the game does not need people like you in it), so many will be gunning for you now. Who knows maybe you were just drumming up business for your “Occupational Therapy practice”, yah good luck with that, I doubt your bed side manner is any different from your sportsmanship.</p>
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		<title>By: norm</title>
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		<dc:creator>norm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah, I&#039;ve watched a lot of soccer at all levels; in person and on the tube. From AYSO to the World Cup -- in most matches every time the referee&#039;s back is turned this kind of stuff goes on. Watch the BYU players in this clip: they smile sweetly and break the rules. Usually there is no effective retaliation, so it continues. Players constantly grab and trip and elbow each other off the ball, and do so with little fear that anything they do will be observed or punished by the referee -- and if they are, the cheaters are the first to fling themselves to the ground and writhe in mock agony. Context is always important: I&#039;d bet Lambert had reached the end of her rope after vigorous and unpunished physical harassment from the BYU players throughout the game. The crotch grab was undoubtedly the last straw. Snap. I too snort at the mock outrage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah, I&#8217;ve watched a lot of soccer at all levels; in person and on the tube. From AYSO to the World Cup &#8212; in most matches every time the referee&#8217;s back is turned this kind of stuff goes on. Watch the BYU players in this clip: they smile sweetly and break the rules. Usually there is no effective retaliation, so it continues. Players constantly grab and trip and elbow each other off the ball, and do so with little fear that anything they do will be observed or punished by the referee &#8212; and if they are, the cheaters are the first to fling themselves to the ground and writhe in mock agony. Context is always important: I&#8217;d bet Lambert had reached the end of her rope after vigorous and unpunished physical harassment from the BYU players throughout the game. The crotch grab was undoubtedly the last straw. Snap. I too snort at the mock outrage.</p>
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		<title>By: Christoph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you ever heard of this phrase: 

&quot;Soccer is a gentlemen&#039;s sport played by hooligans, rugby is a hooligan&#039;s sport played by gentlemen.&quot;

I strongly disagree that soccer is a violent sport. It can be quite physical, and if it gets too physical or players engage in the kind of conduct highlighted in your post, they get punished accordingly. Zidane&#039;s headbutt was a huge outrage in Europe, and will probably taint his legacy forever. The kind of behavior displayed by Lambert is not tolerated in soccer one bit. Violent fans are a minority and their behavior is condemned by all clubs, officials, players and the real fans.

I think the conception that soccer is violent is the result of unfamiliarity with the sport, mixed with comparing it to American football. If you look at the gear football players wear, and the obvious roughness on the field, you would conclude that soccer must be for whimps, as they are not taking any hits like that at all. I remember thinking that the concept of a foul in American football must be joke when I was a kid. Then when you look at soccer more closely, you realize that it can actually be very physical: Players sliding towards each other with their feet first wearing long cleats for example. (A lot of people that play for recreation refrain from doing this by the way) This considerable contrast to the previous conception of soccer being mild, might then lead to an exaggerated perception of soccer&#039;s &quot;violence&quot;.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/sports/soccer/12hughes.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rest in Peace, Robert Enke.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever heard of this phrase: </p>
<p>&#8220;Soccer is a gentlemen&#8217;s sport played by hooligans, rugby is a hooligan&#8217;s sport played by gentlemen.&#8221;</p>
<p>I strongly disagree that soccer is a violent sport. It can be quite physical, and if it gets too physical or players engage in the kind of conduct highlighted in your post, they get punished accordingly. Zidane&#8217;s headbutt was a huge outrage in Europe, and will probably taint his legacy forever. The kind of behavior displayed by Lambert is not tolerated in soccer one bit. Violent fans are a minority and their behavior is condemned by all clubs, officials, players and the real fans.</p>
<p>I think the conception that soccer is violent is the result of unfamiliarity with the sport, mixed with comparing it to American football. If you look at the gear football players wear, and the obvious roughness on the field, you would conclude that soccer must be for whimps, as they are not taking any hits like that at all. I remember thinking that the concept of a foul in American football must be joke when I was a kid. Then when you look at soccer more closely, you realize that it can actually be very physical: Players sliding towards each other with their feet first wearing long cleats for example. (A lot of people that play for recreation refrain from doing this by the way) This considerable contrast to the previous conception of soccer being mild, might then lead to an exaggerated perception of soccer&#8217;s &#8220;violence&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/sports/soccer/12hughes.html" rel="nofollow">Rest in Peace, Robert Enke.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that soccer is a violent sport, but I&#039;m not quite sure where it crosses over to punching girls in the face and pulling their hair so hard they fall to the ground. http://www.newsy.com/videos/soccer_violence_from_head_butts_to_hair_pulls</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that soccer is a violent sport, but I&#8217;m not quite sure where it crosses over to punching girls in the face and pulling their hair so hard they fall to the ground. <a href="http://www.newsy.com/videos/soccer_violence_from_head_butts_to_hair_pulls" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsy.com/videos/soccer_violence_from_head_butts_to_hair_pulls</a></p>
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		<title>By: You can call me, 'Sir'</title>
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		<dc:creator>You can call me, 'Sir'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having once lived in the UK and subsequently watched a veritable assload of UK and European soccer, the sport is definitely more physical than you&#039;re average American is willing to admit.  

Having said this, no one can possibly defend this chick&#039;s actions as &#039;part of the game&#039;.  You push and shove for position and occasionally tackle while going for the ball, but her actions reek of jackassery of the most unsportsmanlike flavor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having once lived in the UK and subsequently watched a veritable assload of UK and European soccer, the sport is definitely more physical than you&#8217;re average American is willing to admit.  </p>
<p>Having said this, no one can possibly defend this chick&#8217;s actions as &#8216;part of the game&#8217;.  You push and shove for position and occasionally tackle while going for the ball, but her actions reek of jackassery of the most unsportsmanlike flavor.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a lot of team sports are physical and we see it all the time
push - shove
elbow - elbow
hip bump - push back
this is a phsyical form of communication between teams

But elbow &quot;get out of my space&quot; and the response = double punch &quot;I&#039;m taking you down&quot; it crossed a line in my opinion. It is like someone saying &quot;excuse me&quot; in the supermarket and the other person getting in their faces screaming &quot;no YOU get the F out of my way&quot;

not at all okay

and an elbow leading to a couple of punches IN THE FACE (later in the clip)

and the hair take down

no, no, no, no, no

too ugly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a lot of team sports are physical and we see it all the time<br />
push &#8211; shove<br />
elbow &#8211; elbow<br />
hip bump &#8211; push back<br />
this is a phsyical form of communication between teams</p>
<p>But elbow &#8220;get out of my space&#8221; and the response = double punch &#8220;I&#8217;m taking you down&#8221; it crossed a line in my opinion. It is like someone saying &#8220;excuse me&#8221; in the supermarket and the other person getting in their faces screaming &#8220;no YOU get the F out of my way&#8221;</p>
<p>not at all okay</p>
<p>and an elbow leading to a couple of punches IN THE FACE (later in the clip)</p>
<p>and the hair take down</p>
<p>no, no, no, no, no</p>
<p>too ugly</p>
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		<title>By: Sue @ Laundry for Six</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue @ Laundry for Six</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah, 

Your comment above is exactly what I was going to say.  And yes, the catfighting headline is infuriating.

Great debate!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah, </p>
<p>Your comment above is exactly what I was going to say.  And yes, the catfighting headline is infuriating.</p>
<p>Great debate!</p>
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